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HELP...I have been scammed.....Read This Before You Fall Prey.....

     In an effort to improve my website positioning and not rely on what had become an expensive and non-lead productive PPC source...I cast my net and found several realtors who relied heavily on webleads and used a company called Internet Advancement.....soooooo I called, put the phone on speaker and my husband and I listened intently to the sales pitch.....in 15 days you see some results and by 120 days we would need at least one assistant if not more to keep up with the business....OK then....$5,000 and then when I was sitting on top of the  web in 120 days, $140 per month maintenance....

     Sixty days passed,...not one lead....oh just be patient, I was way ahead of schedule in the rankings....90 days...not one lead....patience, patience they told me....I kept objecting and telling them I could hardly believe that on the magical 120th day, the flood gates of leads would open...I had now talked to about half a dozen people at the company and no results....oh yes......WHOOPS...they don't know what happened but it was all done incorrectly,.....it is now almost 6 months...they have $5,280 and I have zip...calls and e-mail go unanswered...oh surprise....Can anyone suggest a solution ?


Comments

Anyone promising you top position for a competitive keyword in 6 months is probably lying. I would ask them to give you a detailed log of what they did to try to improve your rankings. Getting to number 1 can take a year or longer for some words.
Posted by Phaedra Hubbard - Tampa Bay Real Estate Team (My Florida Home Store) over 2 years ago

hhhhmmm, get out now and don't pay them anymore. Best to cut your losses and move on. If you tie in your Active Rain profile to your website you will see a better return and it won't cost you anything. Use you AR profile as the tool to draw business to you and your website. That is what I've done and I literally get 6 to 8 calls or e-mails a week from all over America (North America, South America, and Central America) looking for financing.

Just a suggestion,

Sean Allen

Posted by International Financing Solutions over 2 years ago

My Broker and I had a similar experience with a company.  We would actually receive leads, but the amount was no where near what they promised.  It's hard not to think that there isn't some magical way that will drive you business from the internet.  My general rule of thumb is to ask myself what they are promising and if it seems to good to be true, then it probably is. 

The internet is gaining in complexity, the game changes a little bit everyday.  I have found that a combination of websites, blogs, social networks, website & keyword positioning to work the best for me.  Try a few different things out and see what sticks for you, if there is a large amount of cost involved I personally would shy away from it.  You do have to spend money to make money, but no one ever said you have to spend all of it.

Hope that helps a little,

Bryan Maynes

Posted by Bryan Maynes (Dwellings Real Estate) over 2 years ago
  Create a web page on them and google them, email there clients  http://www.internetadvancement.com/clients.php   if that's the right company. Advertise against them on the internet with facts and copy them.
Posted by Paul Stillwaggon, Luxury New & Pre-Owned Homes in Central NJ (Weichert Realtors/ NJ Estates Real Estate Group) over 2 years ago
  Active Rain and our site are tied...and of course I cut them off...my point is...first to let everyone this side of the internet know not to use them....I did see the rankings of other agents and talked with them before making the investment......They do, supposedly offer refunds....they say in 6-8 weeks...the federal government is faster and I'm not buying that !
Posted by Sally & David Hanson WI Realtors Res.\Comm\Short Sale\CDPE\ABR\e-Pro (Keller Williams 414-525-0563) over 2 years ago

There is no magic bullet in this.  You have to put the time in to create organic results and no one can guarantee the results they did without lying.  Hope you can get out of the contract and find folks who can help you do to the work the right way.  I'm on the same search right now!

I agree with the comment above.  I'm asking anyone I'm talking to do define exactly what they'll be doing so I understand what I'm paying for and know how it fits into my overall plan.

Posted by Bethesda Real Estate ~ Bethesda Homes for Sale (Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc.) over 2 years ago

  Hey Guys...

     I didn't fall off the  Christmas Tree yesterday....we have had a site for 5+ years with varying results and after talking to several realtors who swore this was the single biggest contributing factor to their success...I sure thought it was worth a try.....No magic...They got results....Not too good to be true...they got leads...I LOVE the website idea.....sounds nasty but then again so is not only losing the money but the business as well  !

Posted by Sally & David Hanson WI Realtors Res.\Comm\Short Sale\CDPE\ABR\e-Pro (Keller Williams 414-525-0563) over 2 years ago

I had something similar happen and I stopped their SEO and moved on thankfully I never ended my first SEO, they are costing you more money to try and recoup money and they will probably not credit you back, I would stop payment now.  Good Luck

Posted by Amber Castonguay Jefferson County Wisconsin Real Estate (Century 21 Crossroads Realty) over 2 years ago
No magic involved. No 60 day miracles. You have to optimize your own website. Takes months and months of dedication. The only way to the top of the rankings overnight is PPC. I don't use PPC, but I do know people who have had excellent results from it.
Posted by Simon Conway (Orlando Area Real Estate Services) over 2 years ago
My understanding of effective SEO was that it did away with  PPC ...we used PPC for a while with great results until "the head clicker" would not change words and we got $100,000 condo buyers where there were no such thing....
Posted by Sally & David Hanson WI Realtors Res.\Comm\Short Sale\CDPE\ABR\e-Pro (Keller Williams 414-525-0563) over 2 years ago

I got a call last year from a company wanted me to invest 5000. too. I kept them on the phone, they had no web site just an idea. I told them to call me back I had to think about it. So they did and said another agent was wanting the spot and I had to make my mind up. I blogged on it early on AR. But, it was a scam big time.

No one can promise you first position, no one. The only way you get there is a sponsored link.

Posted by Missy Caulk-Ann Arbor-RealtorĀ® Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams-Ann Arbor) over 2 years ago
Please let's not add insult to injury by assuming I am stupid,....I am bright enough to know first position is not realistic,...that isn't what I said....and I DID check this company with several agents that gave rave reviews...let's read before we comment please.
Posted by Sally & David Hanson WI Realtors Res.\Comm\Short Sale\CDPE\ABR\e-Pro (Keller Williams 414-525-0563) over 2 years ago
Did you pay by credit card? Most credit cards, especially business credit cards (American Express, in particular) are really good about refunding your money if you're not happy with the product or service.
Posted by Darleen McCullen, Broker-Raleigh, NC Real Estate over 2 years ago
  Good point Darlene....I think that only applies to the last 30 days or billing period so I think I am sunk but it sure doesn't hurt to ask.
Posted by Sally & David Hanson WI Realtors Res.\Comm\Short Sale\CDPE\ABR\e-Pro (Keller Williams 414-525-0563) over 2 years ago

Sad story, and I appreciate your candor.  No, your not stupid, but I have to question several things about this company. 

First, your domain is a .net versus a .com.  This shouldn't matter in the search engines as much, but nearly everyone is going to the Remax site that ends in .com when going by memory.  You will be loosing traffic, and that (from linking) can hurt your ranking.

Next, you have no links on your page to Wisconsin Real Estate, nor any headers.  These are some of your keywords that should carry the most weight.  Without this addition, the crawlers will be thinking your content doesn't match your keywords well.  Further, you have too many links in ratio to the amount of content on your page, and your site is written for a pretty high intelligence level.  Has to do with your coding, but the sentences seem to long to search engines.  Places you at a -37 fleisch level, 40-60 (yes positive versus your negative number).  Your site has good description, keywords, meta tags.  Your content doesn't match.

I would challange this company for your money back - They did a really bad job.  I did my site (the first thing you'll say about my site is too many words on the index page - that was for ranking and it worked) using www.seotoolset.com.  Cost me $90 per quarter.  I optimized my site in July, and I'm on page 1 for my terms on 2 or 3 search engines and I'm coming up on the third (Google, MSN, and Yahoo).

The problem is, buyer beware if you know what to look for.  Do we really know what to ask?

Posted by Greg Fox (Realty World Wichita) over 2 years ago

A simple google of this company's name would have resulted in the following finding:

http://www.seomoz.org/blog/internet-advancement-fuels-my-rage

In fact this link was right below the actual company's link.

You can follow links to a wide array of other complaints.

Posted by Mortgage Intelligence Inc. (Dave Yeoman) over 2 years ago

Sally and David,

It has been around for a long time. Even in this day there are snake oil salemen.

I have found that hard work and effort, and a little luck, has helped me get along.

Sincerely,

Tom Braatz

Posted by Tom Braatz, Waukesha County Real Estate,WI (Re/Max Realty Center 262-377-1459) over 2 years ago
The growing number of SEO frauds is scary.  There aren't any quick solutions to getting a leg up on the competition.  Greg made some very good points above.
Posted by Madeline Island Realty - Eric Kodner Sells Madeline Island over 2 years ago

Caveat Emptor!  Let the buyer beware.

There seem to be a lot of intelligent people getting sucked into scams for SEO these days.  I am hearing more and more people saying the have paid for "guaranteed results" which never materialize.  I think the bottom line has been stated again and again... that effective SEO takes hard work and time to happen.  As the internet become more crowded, it just takes longer and longer to climb the ladder.

Posted by Steve Shatsky, SFR - Dallas Real Estate & Short Sale Specialist (469)449-9840 (Prudential Texas Properties) over 2 years ago

Sorry to hear about that.   Internet Advancement are some of the biggest scammers out there.  They are notorious in the internet marketing community. I would demand a refund.. get nasty about it if you have to.

On another note... SEO does not replace PPC, or any kind of marketing for that matter.  You could relate it to the saying about putting all your eggs in one basket.

I'm curious what you mean by "the head clicker" wouldn't change words?   Negative keywords are the way to stop getting unwanted search queries.

Posted by David Kyle, Charlotte SEO (Charlotte Internet Marketing SEM Adwords) over 2 years ago
  Thank you for your comments and sympathy....head clicker is the person that is in the marketing dept. for the website we have who refused to tell us the words he was using or change them....I wanted to learn from the experience of going from the kind of buyers we love working with to people who are clueless...wanting to buy $100,000 condos where the minimums are hundreds more...I want sooo much to stay away from PPC and just work on positioning....it's a physical impossibility for me to do work any more on this aspect of our business...I want to trust someone, somewhere....without selling my soul.
Posted by Anonymous over 2 years ago

Sean,

 

How do you tie in your AR profile with your website?  I have linked my website with AR... is that what you are talking about?

 

Nick

 

www.yourdallasmls.com

www.nickgood.com 

Posted by Nick Good www.TheGoodHomeTeam.com (The Good Home Team with Keller Williams Realty) over 2 years ago
Oh honey - I have learned this lesson the hard way too - I hope it all turns out great for you
Posted by Thesa Chambers, Principal Broker Licensed in Oregon, with (Prudential NW Properties Sunriver) over 2 years ago

You might do what I did.  I am a Home Inspector.  I received a voicemail from someone who said that they had some people in the area that needed inspections.  I called back and found it was from the Super Pages.  They started their spiel about how they had hundreds of people contact them looking for home inspections in the Orlando area and how if I just paid them $XXX, they could send me the customers.

I told them that was fine.  Send me the customers and I would pay them with the money I made from the inspections.  The hung up really quickly!

Robert Sole

www.REMinspections.com 

Posted by Robert Sole (REM Inspections LLC) over 2 years ago

She got a full refund because... I drop the HAMMER on SEO SCAMMERS!

Posted by David Kyle, Charlotte SEO (Charlotte Internet Marketing SEM Adwords) over 2 years ago
Sally & David:   This guy created a profile on ActiveRain back last fall, and you guys show up as being the ones who invited him to the network!!!
Posted by Rich Jacobson Your Kitsap County WA Real Estate Agent (Windermere West Sound, Inc.) over 2 years ago
  Yes...that is true....when we first met....and had been given great references by other realtors, we were anxious to spread the word....Things changed !
Posted by Sally & David Hanson WI Realtors Res.\Comm\Short Sale\CDPE\ABR\e-Pro (Keller Williams 414-525-0563) over 2 years ago
Wow....im interested in seeing what else is happening with this...bookmarked
Posted by Clint Miller (Real Estate Client Referrals, LLC (RECR)) over 2 years ago

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